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In my theory, Creation was completed within the 6 day stricture
proclaimed by the Bible. Earth was developed as a complex biosphere
that existed now as it did then. All lifeforms existed simultaneously.
Life and death, adaptation, extinction, decomposition, geologic change: all present
and sustained by the Master Creator and within His will, however
inscrutable that will is. This was true for all Creation except
man.

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Dinosaurs, ice age, etc.

My youngest son asked me about some of the things he's been learning at school (public). I didn't know the answers to his questions, having never given them much thought. I thought I'd start my search for answers to his questions by seeing if anybody on the board has researched them.

He was wondering about dinosaurs and the ice age. A couple of the questions he asked are:

1. Were there dinosaurs?
2. Did dinosaurs live at the same time as men?
3. Was there a global ice age?

Those are some good questions, and I'll add one or two of my own.

When I was my son's age or thereabouts, we went on a field trip to the museum of natural history in NY. Looking at the bones of the large dinosaurs was fascinating. Thinking about them, I wonder:

4. Did dinosaurs of that size live all over the world, or was it restricted to a particular area?
5. Is there any hint in the scriptures that any of the writers saw these large dinosaurs or had even heard of them?
6. What caused the dinosaurs to become extinct?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Edited on 2-4-2005 by blhowes]

BobVigneault

Bawberator

Read the description of the behemoth in the book of Job. I just don't see a hippo in that description.

Reptiles get bigger the longer they live. Most dinosaurs were the size of a dog or horse. Some however got to be very big.

They went extinct because they were frolicking with the unicorns when they should have been getting on the ark.

"Oh there's green allegators and long necked geese, humpy back camels and chimpanzees. " Nevermind

Puritan Sailor

Puritan Board Doctor

Yes. They were created in the garden with all the other creatures and coexosted just fine. Some secular researchers are even starting to concede this now, that mammals and dinosaurs coexisted.

Most likely there was after the Flood. It was probably an after-effect from the Flood, and the earth had to adjust to that new environment. It also had to have a quick onset in order to catch all those animals by surprise which we find frozen in ice every now and then (i.e. like the mammoth they found a few years ago). Most likely the region around the equator was not frozen over though. It remained warm enough for man to flourish and grow (i.e. notice mesopotamia, egypt, babyl, etc.).

They have found fossils all over the world. But what the world looked like before the Flood, who knows.

5. Is there any hint in the scriptures that any of the writers saw these large dinosaurs or had even heard of them?

They couldn't adjust to the new environment. Plus when they get big, people most likely hunted them down. That's probably where alot of those "dragon" myths developed from in other cultures.

Go to the Answers in Genesis website. It's got alot of these related questions with more detailed scientific and archeologic analysis.

blhowes

Puritan Board Professor

Originally posted by maxdetail
Read the description of the behemoth in the book of Job. I just don't see a hippo in that description.

So there were dinosaurs after the flood?

Originally posted by maxdetail
Reptiles get bigger the longer they live. Most dinosaurs were the size of a dog or horse. Some however got to be very big.

They went extinct because they were frolicking with the unicorns when they should have been getting on the ark.

If there were dinosaurs living during the time of Noah, would they necessarily have been brought into the ark?

Let's assume (for the time being) that what scientists say (example below) is true about the weight of the dinosaurs. Barring supernatural intervention, how many dinosaurs could the ark have accommodated? Given the design of ark, does anybody know if anybody has calculated how much weight the ark could take in and still remain boyant?

Here's some estimates of scientists that I found at a random site about dinosaurs: (http://teacher.scholastic.com/researchtools/articlearchives/dinos/size.htm)

Q: Which dinosaur is the largest?
A: The biggest dinosaur is probably ultrasauros. We only have a few bones of this late Jurassic (140 million years ago) plant-eater from Colorado but they show an animal that was six stories high and may have weighed more than 50 tons.

Q: How much did the T. rex weigh?
A: T. rex weighed at least seven tons by most estimates.

To be fair, the site also says "Scientists don't know how much dinosaurs weighed! They don't like to make those estimates, because they don't have enough information, but everyone wants them to guess. You can only guess based on how much modern land animals weigh for their size and scaling up for dinosaurs. The width of the skeleton and the heaviness of the bones helps to estimate weight, as does the size of the dents in the bones where the muscles insert into it. That tells you a bit about how big the muscles were and how much they weighed. But until we can get a live dinosaur up on a truck stop weighing scale we'll never know for sure!

[Edited on 2-4-2005 by blhowes]

blhowes

Puritan Board Professor

Originally posted by puritansailor
Go to the Answers in Genesis website. It's got alot of these related questions with more detailed scientific and archeologic analysis.

Patrick,
Thanks for your responses, and especially for pointing me to the Answers in Genesis website. I poked around enough to find out they believe the earth is several thousand years old. I look forward to reading more.

gwine

Puritan Board Sophomore

I have read that some dinosaurs may not have been reptiles. The bone structure of some of the carnivores suggests bird-like form.

I am curious about the 1 lung - 2 lung comment, though. From just looking at bones I wonder how one could even know much about the internal organs, much less the external colors, scales vs. feathers, and the like.

kceaster

Puritan Board Junior

Especially when some species are constructed from a few bones.

How in the world would you figure out what a dinosaur looked like with just 3 bones?

Also, it is well documented that some of the skeletons we have are fabrications.

I personally like the passage in Isaiah 30 about the fiery flying serpent.

Puritan Sailor

Puritan Board Doctor

Alot of it is speculation. But they have found complete skeletons. That does give you a general idea of what they could have looked like. You can tell where muscles attached and how they functioned. You can tell which bones could bear more weight, stuff like that. But certainly nothing like the stuff we see on TV. We can't know what color they were, or if they had hair. I question whether or not they could tell if they were warm blooded or not, but I'm not a biologist so maybe there is a way to tell more. I think it will get funner as we begin to understand DNA traits.

govols

Puritan Board Junior

Were there dinosaurs on the ark?

I would say yes. Well, if they were so big then how did they get on the ark? No one said that the adults were on the ark. I would have taken the younger ones that were smaller.

Joseph Ringling

Puritan Board Freshman

Originally posted by maxdetail

They went extinct because they were frolicking with the unicorns when they should have been getting on the ark.

"Oh there's green allegators and long necked geese, humpy back camels and chimpanzees. " Nevermind

andreas

Puritan Board Sophomore

***Were there dinosaurs?***

"Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

he moveth his tail like a cedar: the senews of his stones are wrapped together.

his bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are bars of iron.

he is the chief of the ways of God: He that made him can make His sword to approach unto him.

surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

the shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

behold he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up jordan into his mouth.

he taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.Job 40:15-24

blhowes

Puritan Board Professor

Originally posted by Paul manata
Now, my questions for public schools:
1. How did dino's get here in the first place?
2. Supposing life came from non-life how did one-celled organism (non-conscious) evolve into something like a dinosaur? That is, tell me the story.
3. Taking the current dogma, tell me how the two-way lungs of the dino evolved into the one-way lungs of the birds, all in small gradual changes that were benerficial to the species?
4. After those are surmounted, tell me how scales evolved into feathers.
5. Tell me how flight itself evolved.

Those are some good questions. In all of your debates and interactions with athiests and/or evolutions, have they ever come up with reasonable answers to these types of questions?

Larry Hughes

Puritan Board Sophomore

1. Were there dinosaurs?

2. Did dinosaurs live at the same time as men?

Not always man was created last.

3. Was there a global ice age?

No, depends on what you mean by global. E.g., No geologic evidence of such south of the Ohio River.

4. Did dinosaurs of that size live all over the world, or was it restricted to a particular area?

Most of the fossils associated with the "Jurrasic type" dinosaurs are in fairly limited areas like limited western US locals, some in China, etc.

5. Is there any hint in the scriptures that any of the writers saw these large dinosaurs or had even heard of them?

Yes, but the term dinosaur is a 20th century term.

6. What caused the dinosaurs to become extinct?

Up for grabs, some maybe by natural attrition, just like the Dodo Bird. Some catastophically.

Bonus: The rock record does not support evolution. Two of the biggest components against it are 1. One would expect transition species and 2. connected with #1, one would expect great populations of the numerous transitions. Neither exist.

Bonus 2: Scientists recently created petrified wood in literally days at the National Science Laboratory in Washington using a pine wood block, high temperatures, argon gas to eleminate O2, and a pre-silcon bath (the crystal replacement.

TimV

Puritanboard Botanist

"Yes. They were created in the garden with all the other creatures and coexosted just fine. Some secular researchers are even starting to concede this now, that mammals and dinosaurs coexisted."

There was just the discovery of a dinosaur in the belly of a fossil mammal all over the news.

lwadkins

Puritan Board Junior

Originally posted by maxdetail
"Oh there's green allegators and long necked geese, humpy back camels and chimpanzees. " Nevermind

"The Unicorn by The Irish Rovers. These folks are still around.

john_Mark

Puritan Board Freshman

Read about mammals eating dinosaurs above. I wonder what kind of sauce they put on 'em?

panta dokimazete

Puritan Board Post-Graduate

Originally posted by TimV
"Yes. They were created in the garden with all the other creatures and coexosted just fine. Some secular researchers are even starting to concede this now, that mammals and dinosaurs coexisted."

There was just the discovery of a dinosaur in the belly of a fossil mammal all over the news.

Hey! Another opportunity for JD's Pet Theory.

Resolving some Creationist time issues

For many Christians, strict Creationism has a seeming weakness that
the proponents of evolutionary theory exploit. “Why does
everything seem older than the 6 – 10K period of time Creation is
supposed to exist?” This has lead to the development of several
systematic creation viewpoints; Evolutionary Creationists, Young
Earth Creationists, Days as Age Creationist, Creation Scientists,
etc. ad infinitum. None of which seem to satisfactorily resolve
non-Darwinian-evolutionary, old earth, Adam and Eve biblical evidence, as
well as supposed geologic and paleontological evidence and
theories.

I have formulated an alternative theory I believe can help resolve
many of the questions raised by Christians and non-Christians
alike. I call it the Ancient Adam theory.

In my theory, Creation was completed within the 6 day stricture
proclaimed by the Bible. Earth was developed as a complex biosphere
that existed now as it did then. All lifeforms existed simultaneously.
Life and death, adaptation, extinction, decomposition, geologic change: all present
and sustained by the Master Creator and within His will, however
inscrutable that will is. This was true for all Creation except
man.

Man and the Garden

Man was created and placed in a protected place from destructive,
sudden change, the Garden of Eden. He was given great freedom
within this protected area, probably roamed from it some and was prohibited from only one thing;
eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
(Genesis 2:17) Please note that there was one other special tree in
the Garden: the Tree of Life. Man was not prohibited from eating
from this Tree until after the sin of eating from the other Tree.
(Gen. 4:22)

There is no Scriptural indication of how much time passed from the
end of the Creation period until the Fall. It is my theory that man
existed in the Garden communing with God and Creation for
multi-eons, sustained by the fruit of the Tree of Life.

Some Theory Weaknesses and Resolutions

On the Creationist, strict Biblical interpretation side, I have
found one apparent weakness in my theory. Genesis 5:3 gives the
apparent age of Adam as 930 (Gen. 5:5) years, but the count starts with Seth.
Where are the firstborn, Cain and Abel? I believe they and many
others were born before the Fall (“..be fruitful and multiply”
– Gen 1:28) and existed as those sustain by the Tree of Life.
Before the fall, years of life were irrelevant, only after their eyes were opened (Genesis 3:7) would years be counted or have real meaning. Thus I believe my theory
resolves how and who Cain could marry.

I believe it also resolves the Nephilim/"Sons of God" issue. They were Adam and Eve's pre-Fall children.

[Edited on 2-16-2005 by jdlongmire]

Larry Hughes

Puritan Board Sophomore

For many Christians, strict Creationism has a seeming weakness that
the proponents of evolutionary theory exploit. “Why does
everything seem older than the 6 – 10K period of time Creation is
supposed to exist?” This has lead to the development of several
systematic creation viewpoints; Evolutionary Creationists, Young
Earth Creationists, Days as Age Creationist, Creation Scientists,
etc. ad infinitum. None of which seem to satisfactorily resolve
non-Darwinian-evolutionary, old earth, Adam and Eve biblical evidence, as
well as supposed geologic and paleontological evidence and
theories.

There are irreconcilable holes in the evolutionary long-age theory. First of all it matters zero, absolutely nada, not one bit how long one extends time - for evolution cannot arise even if you gave it infinite time. That seems to be lost in many debates when evolutionist think they have Christians on the run. When in reality they still have nothing. That’s issue number one, age of the earth does not in the least support evolution no matter what the time scale is extended to.

Second is a matter of gross interpretation. Recently a series a radioactive dating experiments have been done at the base of the Grand Canyon in the country rock. Some of the oldest known exposures. Country rock is geospeak for the basement rock or the base igneous rock from which the geo-time clock is relatively set. A series of samples were taken from the same rock at very close intervals. Radiometric dating swung all over the place from the same rock.

It is a simple problem of taking micro and nano-level information and expanding it to the macro level and saying, “this nano information reflects this macro regional size information“. It would be like me looking out my front door, surveying the area in my immediate view and saying, “I’ve seen the whole world.“ A lot of gross error is introduced here.

Third radiometric dating makes the HUGE assumption that all things started at time-clock zero. That is for example all the original material in U-Pb dating was originally U then moved to Pb. That is a huge assumption. This flies in the face of creating for functionality and a purpose.

Forth, from the Christian side of this we can never ever forget Romans 1:18-ff. That man continually suppresses the truth with all his fallen might. Even more, we can never forget that God has chosen ONLY to reveal Himself at the point of the cross and that every other avenue fallen man seeks to “find God” the door of heaven is closed to fallen man (e.g., the Tower of Babel). Like Christ said, “even if the dead should rise they will not believe.” (paraphrase - ldh) If we could resolve this issue and it has been, they will not believe. Those that seek God these ways will not find Him because God has set but one way, truth and life and that is Christ alone, and at length man seeking these closed pathways will in the ease of their fallen nature eager to suppress the truth will say, “See there is no God.”

4. Did dinosaurs of that size live all over the world, or was it restricted to a particular area?

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